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RE: WMC as the backend - released - cdan_smith - 2013-08-22
(2013-08-21, 22:52)krustyreturns Wrote:(2013-08-21, 18:07)cdan_smith Wrote: So it seems I now have a corrupt EPG - probably through all the different configuration changes. When I try and "Reset EPG Database" from the Settings/Live TV menu, it just hangs - same behavior when I try and show the EPG. Anyone know how to clean out the EPG another way?
Also, I'm in the US with Verizon Fios cable. the Server component is showing 730+ channels, and the "entries transferred count" is getting really high - 80K+ Normal behavior?
Yes this is normal. An 'entry' means an entry in the EPG, i.e. a tv program. So its a count of how many episodes it has transferred to the client(s). I should probably rename this to something more obvious. Like 'program'?
How about just "EPG Entry"? Makes it clear I think ,,,
My EPG is still giving me fits. It has about 40K entries when it loads from scratch (7 days, 700+ channels). Everything seems to go from server to client OK, but it "hangs" when I open the EPG. If I leave it for a couple of hours (just a guess since I walked away, but it was quite a while), the EPG is there on the screen when I get back, but it's still hung (no navigation possible). I noticed the EPG.db is being updated though, along with the db_journal file, so something is going on.
I've tried deleting the TV.DB and EPG.DB files. That seems to disable the plug in, so I re-enable it from the XBMC UI, which kicks off a new download from the WMC server. Still no love when I go to the EPG though.
Strange thing is, I'm pretty sure it worked when I was first working with the WMC PVR setup (when we couldn't get the recordings to transfer over). I mostly watch recordings, but the EPG would be needed for WAF. Is there somewhere else that could have an old or corrupt dataset that's hanging the EPG?
RE: WMC as the backend - released - krustyreturns - 2013-08-22
(2013-08-22, 17:15)cdan_smith Wrote:(2013-08-21, 22:52)krustyreturns Wrote:(2013-08-21, 18:07)cdan_smith Wrote: So it seems I now have a corrupt EPG - probably through all the different configuration changes. When I try and "Reset EPG Database" from the Settings/Live TV menu, it just hangs - same behavior when I try and show the EPG. Anyone know how to clean out the EPG another way?
Also, I'm in the US with Verizon Fios cable. the Server component is showing 730+ channels, and the "entries transferred count" is getting really high - 80K+ Normal behavior?
Yes this is normal. An 'entry' means an entry in the EPG, i.e. a tv program. So its a count of how many episodes it has transferred to the client(s). I should probably rename this to something more obvious. Like 'program'?
How about just "EPG Entry"? Makes it clear I think ,,,
My EPG is still giving me fits. It has about 40K entries when it loads from scratch (7 days, 700+ channels). Everything seems to go from server to client OK, but it "hangs" when I open the EPG. If I leave it for a couple of hours (just a guess since I walked away, but it was quite a while), the EPG is there on the screen when I get back, but it's still hung (no navigation possible). I noticed the EPG.db is being updated though, along with the db_journal file, so something is going on.
I've tried deleting the TV.DB and EPG.DB files. That seems to disable the plug in, so I re-enable it from the XBMC UI, which kicks off a new download from the WMC server. Still no love when I go to the EPG though.
Strange thing is, I'm pretty sure it worked when I was first working with the WMC PVR setup (when we couldn't get the recordings to transfer over). I mostly watch recordings, but the EPG would be needed for WAF. Is there somewhere else that could have an old or corrupt dataset that's hanging the EPG?
I don't think it stores data anywhere else. Are you running frodo 12.2?
RE: WMC as the backend - released - cdan_smith - 2013-08-22
(2013-08-22, 17:26)krustyreturns Wrote:(2013-08-22, 17:15)cdan_smith Wrote:(2013-08-21, 22:52)krustyreturns Wrote: Yes this is normal. An 'entry' means an entry in the EPG, i.e. a tv program. So its a count of how many episodes it has transferred to the client(s). I should probably rename this to something more obvious. Like 'program'?
How about just "EPG Entry"? Makes it clear I think ,,,
My EPG is still giving me fits. It has about 40K entries when it loads from scratch (7 days, 700+ channels). Everything seems to go from server to client OK, but it "hangs" when I open the EPG. If I leave it for a couple of hours (just a guess since I walked away, but it was quite a while), the EPG is there on the screen when I get back, but it's still hung (no navigation possible). I noticed the EPG.db is being updated though, along with the db_journal file, so something is going on.
I've tried deleting the TV.DB and EPG.DB files. That seems to disable the plug in, so I re-enable it from the XBMC UI, which kicks off a new download from the WMC server. Still no love when I go to the EPG though.
Strange thing is, I'm pretty sure it worked when I was first working with the WMC PVR setup (when we couldn't get the recordings to transfer over). I mostly watch recordings, but the EPG would be needed for WAF. Is there somewhere else that could have an old or corrupt dataset that's hanging the EPG?
I don't think it stores data anywhere else. Are you running frodo 12.2?
It's definitely Frodo - Frodo XBMC flash screen comes up on boot - I think 12.2 but will verify It's technically Openelec, so it's based on the latest stable XBMC image
Would 40K+ EPG entries create havoc with displaying the program guide?
RE: WMC as the backend - released - krustyreturns - 2013-08-22
(2013-08-22, 18:20)cdan_smith Wrote:(2013-08-22, 17:26)krustyreturns Wrote:(2013-08-22, 17:15)cdan_smith Wrote: How about just "EPG Entry"? Makes it clear I think ,,,
My EPG is still giving me fits. It has about 40K entries when it loads from scratch (7 days, 700+ channels). Everything seems to go from server to client OK, but it "hangs" when I open the EPG. If I leave it for a couple of hours (just a guess since I walked away, but it was quite a while), the EPG is there on the screen when I get back, but it's still hung (no navigation possible). I noticed the EPG.db is being updated though, along with the db_journal file, so something is going on.
I've tried deleting the TV.DB and EPG.DB files. That seems to disable the plug in, so I re-enable it from the XBMC UI, which kicks off a new download from the WMC server. Still no love when I go to the EPG though.
Strange thing is, I'm pretty sure it worked when I was first working with the WMC PVR setup (when we couldn't get the recordings to transfer over). I mostly watch recordings, but the EPG would be needed for WAF. Is there somewhere else that could have an old or corrupt dataset that's hanging the EPG?
I don't think it stores data anywhere else. Are you running frodo 12.2?
It's definitely Frodo - Frodo XBMC flash screen comes up on boot - I think 12.2 but will verify It's technically Openelec, so it's based on the latest stable XBMC image
Would 40K+ EPG entries create havoc with displaying the program guide?
I don't know, I don't have that many channels
. If you want to experiment, reduce the number of entries by telling xbmc you want to only see like 1 days worth (see Live Tv>EPG setting). See if that makes a difference.
RE: WMC as the backend - released - cdan_smith - 2013-08-22
(2013-08-22, 18:35)krustyreturns Wrote:(2013-08-22, 18:20)cdan_smith Wrote:(2013-08-22, 17:26)krustyreturns Wrote: I don't think it stores data anywhere else. Are you running frodo 12.2?
It's definitely Frodo - Frodo XBMC flash screen comes up on boot - I think 12.2 but will verify It's technically Openelec, so it's based on the latest stable XBMC image
Would 40K+ EPG entries create havoc with displaying the program guide?
I don't know, I don't have that many channels
And that's one of the lower-end Verizon Fios packages. With all the pay-per-view, on-demand sports, and music channels, it's a lot of filler ...
Occurs to me that just sending less data to the client might help. Is there a way to hide channels in WMC so they don't show up in the EPGs - either WMC's or get passed to XBMC? Must admit I'm not that facile with all the settings across both applications ...
RE: WMC as the backend - released - krustyreturns - 2013-08-22
(2013-08-22, 20:21)cdan_smith Wrote:(2013-08-22, 18:35)krustyreturns Wrote:(2013-08-22, 18:20)cdan_smith Wrote: It's definitely Frodo - Frodo XBMC flash screen comes up on boot - I think 12.2 but will verify It's technically Openelec, so it's based on the latest stable XBMC image
Would 40K+ EPG entries create havoc with displaying the program guide?
I don't know, I don't have that many channels
And that's one of the lower-end Verizon Fios packages. With all the pay-per-view, on-demand sports, and music channels, it's a lot of filler ...
Occurs to me that just sending less data to the client might help. Is there a way to hide channels in WMC so they don't show up in the EPGs - either WMC's or get passed to XBMC? Must admit I'm not that facile with all the settings across both applications ...
Its worth doing the experiment to see if less episodes stop the epg from hanging, but really xbmc should be able to handle a huge number of episodes - its a bug if it can't.
If you 'disable' the channel in wmc, it will be hidden from xbmc too, and since its hidden its epg entries are not transferred. To block a channel in wmc just edit the channel and choose 'disable'.
Also, have you tried running xbmc in windows on on the server computer? does the epg hang there also?
RE: WMC as the backend - released - jp2code - 2013-08-22
Just catching this today.
16-pages! Whooh! You guys have been active.
I'm interested in looking into this. I've got ASUS' EB-1501, which is an Atom based machine with an NVIDIA ION HTMI output. TV comes in through a Silicon Dust network device. As long as the video is processed on the NVIDIA ION graphics processor, all is great because the Atom CPU is really slow with doing most basic tasks.
I'll probably wait until this channel changing lag is gone before I give this a go. If it is taking you Dual Core and greater folks 15-20 seconds to change a channel, I might have to take naps while waiting on the channel to change.
So Krusty, would a machine like mine need to run the Server WMC program? Nothing else connects to it. I record from there. I watch from there.
(2013-08-18, 17:27)ascagnel Wrote: Depending on the video, it either is a black screen with a few flickering boxes along the top or the first rendered image in the stream with a few flickering boxes along the top. Here's an imgur album of what it looks like when tuning one of those channels.
http://imgur.com/a/Vt0Dp
In your pics, I see "Quicken Loans". Is that something from NBC, or XBMC? ...or this WMC backend
(2013-08-20, 04:56)smacrae Wrote: What I like, that no other solution is offering as yet (except one of the LINUX backend solutions), is the ability to start watching a program that is recording, jump adverts and when one catches up to Live TV continues to stream rather than just stop.....really good for the WAF.
That reminds me: I've always liked watching TV after I have a little buffer built up, so I can FFW past commercials.
What is irritating is when I want to change a channel (or have to because a recording is coming up on another channel) and I lose that buffer.
Back when I had DishNetwork, I would get the message, "Buffer will be lost and you will be taken to Live TV. Continue? [Yes] [No] [Cancel]"
If I click [Yes], I should go to Live TV, and that is what happens in WMC.
If I click [Cancel], the channel changing operation should be cancelled.
Clicking [No] is the same as clicking [Cancel], but it should not. What it should do is change the tuner over to the different channel while continuing to append the file stream from the new source. That would let me keep my buffer, and when that buffer ran to the end of the last channel, the new channel would start up. That, my friends, would be awesome!
If that worked, I could be watching the news that ends in 5 minutes at 6 PM, but I'm 20 minutes from the end. The game starts on another channel at 6 PM. Instead of losing my buffer, the tuner could switch over to the game. By clicking [No], I would continue to watch the news (FFWing through the commercials, of course) until the buffer got to the end of what it recorded at 6 PM, but the buffer would still have more data stream to read because it automatically continued on with the next channel.
(2013-08-20, 17:41)krustyreturns Wrote: [Something]- that I haven't implemented yet - would be the ability for the user to hit record as you watch a channel and have the episode recorded from the time you started watching, not just from the time record was pressed. I'm interested if people would think this is useful.
Again, I have not had DishNetwork for over 7 years (Over The Air broadcasts only), but Dish would give you that option when you pressed the Record button. It would ask, "Record from the beginning of the show? [OK] [Cancel]" ...or something like that.
RE: WMC as the backend - released - drewscm - 2013-08-23
(2013-08-22, 04:33)krustyreturns Wrote:(2013-08-22, 01:29)drewscm Wrote: I am probably repeating something that has come up, (I did search but didn't find), recorded tv shows free after 10 -15 minutes. Any ideas?
Hi. Can you explain more about the problem? I don't understand what you mean by 'free after 10 - 15 minutes'. Do you mean freeze?
Yes I mean freeze. I was watching a show last evening and just about probably every 13 mins the recorded show would freeze, I would have to wait a minute to get out of the show and resume it. Not sure if this is an XBMC thing or the WMC addon. I was watching it on my laptop and the recorded show was saved on my HTPC.
RE: WMC as the backend - released - bungee91 - 2013-08-23
(2013-08-20, 21:15)krustyreturns Wrote: ... but its an experiment I plan to do once I finish this win8 nightmare.
This doesn't sound promising!...
I thought most of the major problems with Win8 were worked out, did something come up that was unexpected?
In no hurry, just wondering is all. Thanks for your hard work!!
RE: WMC as the backend - released - krustyreturns - 2013-08-23
(2013-08-23, 01:11)bungee91 Wrote:(2013-08-20, 21:15)krustyreturns Wrote: ... but its an experiment I plan to do once I finish this win8 nightmare.
This doesn't sound promising!...
I thought most of the major problems with Win8 were worked out, did something come up that was unexpected?
In no hurry, just wondering is all. Thanks for your hard work!!
I got the server to run on win8 fairly easily. The remaining problem was that I was going to need to have an installer for win7 and a different one for win8. This has to do with the wmc dlls the server needs to link with. I thought unifying the installer would be easy, big mistake. I like coding, but installers just give me grief. The good news is another developer has come on board and he helped a lot. The 'unified' installer is working now. I want the other guy to look at it before I release it, and he is in a different time zone (so you know, its around the clock service now). Hopefully tomorrow morning it will be out for those who want to test win8.
On another note, my solar system is up and running! I am now in the electricity business.
(2013-08-23, 00:41)drewscm Wrote:(2013-08-22, 04:33)krustyreturns Wrote:(2013-08-22, 01:29)drewscm Wrote: I am probably repeating something that has come up, (I did search but didn't find), recorded tv shows free after 10 -15 minutes. Any ideas?
Hi. Can you explain more about the problem? I don't understand what you mean by 'free after 10 - 15 minutes'. Do you mean freeze?
Yes I mean freeze. I was watching a show last evening and just about probably every 13 mins the recorded show would freeze, I would have to wait a minute to get out of the show and resume it. Not sure if this is an XBMC thing or the WMC addon. I was watching it on my laptop and the recorded show was saved on my HTPC.
If you are just watching a recorded tv program my addon isn't doing anything when its playing. It just points xbmc at the wtv file, and then gets out of the way. The rest is up to your machines and maybe more importantly your network. If you are trying to watch it wirelessly that might be the problem, a wtv file is a lot of data to xfer for real time viewing.
RE: WMC as the backend - released - krustyreturns - 2013-08-23
(2013-08-22, 23:22)jp2code Wrote: Clicking [No] is the same as clicking [Cancel], but it should not. What it should do is change the tuner over to the different channel while continuing to append the file stream from the new source. That would let me keep my buffer, and when that buffer ran to the end of the last channel, the new channel would start up. That, my friends, would be awesome!
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If I understand you right, I have thought about doing this too. The problem is channels can have different formats so appending a new format to the end of a different format is a problem. wtv is supposed to allow for format changes, I believe, so I assume wmc could maybe handle playing this, but I bet xbmc won't.
RE: WMC as the backend - released - krustyreturns - 2013-08-23
Hi everybody,
A new server installer is up (1057) that is now compatible with windows 8 wmc.
This is a new type of installer, so for those of you with an older version on their system, you will need to uninstall your old version before using this new one. Going forward though, uninstall first will not be necessary.
Thanks to scarecrow420 for coming on board and helping with the server code.
--kr
RE: WMC as the backend - released - bungee91 - 2013-08-23
(2013-08-23, 18:18)krustyreturns Wrote: Hi everybody,
A new server installer is up (1057) that is now compatible with windows 8 wmc.
This is a new type of installer, so for those of you with an older version on their system, you will need to uninstall your old version before using this new one. Going forward though, uninstall first will not be necessary.
Thanks to scarecrow420 for coming on board and helping with the server code.
--kr
You 2 are the man!..
Thanks a bunch, I'm supposed to be moving this weekend, but plan on trying it out in the next week or so.
RE: WMC as the backend - released - Moe Manley - 2013-08-23
Can this be made to work on a Raspberri PI running XBMC? What about an android tablet running XBMC?
RE: WMC as the backend - released - scarecrow420 - 2013-08-24
Yes, getting the client plugin working on Raspberry Pi is one of the next things we will focus on.
Im not sure about Android, the code for the client plugin is on a public repository (link to it in Krusty's first post) so if anybody has android dev skills and wanted to work on an android version that would be cool. Ultimately if we have just a few developers then will naturally try and focus where the biggest demand is, so this forum is important for establishing what people actually want. Focusing on things like channel change speed or a recording including everything since you started watching that channel, are popular features with multiple "votes" in here that would probably get looked at as a priority (whether they are possible or not is another matter!). Iguess on that note, if more people express interest in an android version it establishes dev priorities