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RE: Arctic Horizon - jurialmunkey - 2020-09-04

(2020-09-03, 21:36)drinfernoo Wrote: @jurialmunkey Am I right that there isn't currently a way to have a fullscreen widget with a non-info widget below? Leaving the second widget with info disabled still makes it show when you scroll down.

Also, is there no longer a way to have what would be the "hub widget" change when submenu focus changes, when using the fullscreen widget? Could that be possible if a submenu widget was the second after a fullscreen widget?

I'm not upset either way, just making sure I'm not missing anything.

Correct on both.

For the first (fullscreen widget but not info underneath) I think I might have a solution but still trialing a few things.

For showcase hub on home - that won't be making a return. It relied on re-using the same widget ID for all the widgets underneath the submenu which breaks grouplists. In the original implementation it had to sit outside the widget group, which is why you could only use it if there were no other widgets set.

The problem was that other than the fact that it made navigation more complex and prone to breaking, it also meant that even if there were other widgets set I still had to build a showcase hub for every possible menu and it would just be sitting around in the background hidden. That was bad for performance because it'd be loading a bunch of widgets that weren't ever even going to be seen or used.


RE: Arctic Horizon - jurialmunkey - 2020-09-04

(2020-09-04, 03:44)drinfernoo Wrote: Do we really need this label? Big Grin

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It's needed for a couple of things:

1. To "peek" at the bottom of the screen to show that there's a widget underneath. I tested without anything there and it made it unclear whether it was possible to scroll down further (and if it's unclear for me and I know how everything works, then it's definitely unclear for others!)

2. For alignment. Otherwise you get the title text "peeking" instead which looks ugly. Also that text will change based upon whatever is focused (not just what is focused in that specific widget), so it's really distracting to have this little sliver of text constantly changing when you're scrolling the widget above.

If the skinning engine could do exactly what I want without using massively hacky workarounds, then no it wouldn't be necessary. It's only necessary because I need something to hide what's behind the curtain so to speak. Ideally it would only show when peeking (and would actually show text of next widget rather than just "information") but then when the widget scrolls into the visible area it would disappear and the title text/info would move up to align correctly in the space - but that's just not really feasible within skinning engine limitations.


RE: Arctic Horizon - drinfernoo - 2020-09-04

(2020-09-04, 06:09)jurialmunkey Wrote:
(2020-09-04, 03:44)drinfernoo Wrote: Do we really need this label? Big Grin

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It's needed for a couple of things:

1. To "peek" at the bottom of the screen to show that there's a widget underneath. I tested without anything there and it made it unclear whether it was possible to scroll down further (and if it's unclear for me and I know how everything works, then it's definitely unclear for others!)

2. For alignment. Otherwise you get the title text "peeking" instead which looks ugly. Also that text will change based upon whatever is focused (not just what is focused in that specific widget), so it's really distracting to have this little sliver of text constantly changing when you're scrolling the widget above.

If the skinning engine could do exactly what I want without using massively hacky workarounds, then no it wouldn't be necessary. It's only necessary because I need something to hide what's behind the curtain so to speak. Ideally it would only show when peeking (and would actually show text of next widget rather than just "information") but then when the widget scrolls into the visible area it would disappear and the title text/info would move up to align correctly in the space - but that's just not really feasible within skinning engine limitations.

Fair enough. Actually the bit that I thought was the most odd was the peeking, but it doesn't hurt anything, and I guess you're right about it showing that there's more down below Smile

I've been working on my new home screen, and I'm really digging this Smile


RE: Arctic Horizon - FXB78 - 2020-09-04

With the latest version I see you've added in the background of the first widget showing whilst still in the main menu. Whilst I see the appeal if you just have a single widget, I use multiple widgets with no description & would prefer the 'old' way of keeping the background as default until a widget is selected. I've tried to add a background to the section but it persists in showing the first widget background. Is there a way for me to use the old behaviour & if not could there be an option for this?


RE: Arctic Horizon - Kecruz85 - 2020-09-04

Under the recently added episodes widget, it will show shows that haven’t aired yet. IE: Sunday morning it will show Yellowstone even though it airs Sunday night. It happens with all shows. How do I fix this? In my library settings and add on settings I have show unaired episodes unchecked yet they still appear in the widget and in the library. It didn’t do this with the stock skin. Weird.


RE: Arctic Horizon - FXB78 - 2020-09-04

(2020-09-04, 16:57)Kecruz85 Wrote: Under the recently added episodes widget, it will show shows that haven’t aired yet. IE: Sunday morning it will show Yellowstone even though it airs Sunday night. It happens with all shows. How do I fix this? In my library settings and add on settings I have show unaired episodes unchecked yet they still appear in the widget and in the library. It didn’t do this with the stock skin. Weird.
How have you added it if it hasn't aired yet? Which addon are you talking about?


RE: Arctic Horizon - AleksandarLS - 2020-09-04

Great skin. Why i got empty screen without background (movie picture and info) when i use Showcase Hub for movies menu item?
Only i got date, computer name and skin version, but not movie picture. I got submenu items.
Its not like in this picture:
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RE: Arctic Horizon - gegecom83 - 2020-09-04

Hello,
In the season view there is a display problem with the last aired.

Thank you
best regards,
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RE: Arctic Horizon - Mahava - 2020-09-04

Still testing out this skin on a separate Kodi profile on my system and had to disable TMDB Helper completely to (apparently) resolve all the slowdown issues I was having.

Initially I had deleted the widgets that reference this addon and it improved things, but later had some more issues with things not loading so wound up disabling it altogether.

An unfortunate side effect is losing the fanart blur effect that I like so much.

TMDB Helper seems to be what's causing the busy spinners to roll and preventing the customise skin button from opening etc.   I have no idea why.  I have it enabled on other skins/profiles and it doesn't seem to cause any issues there.


RE: Arctic Horizon - drinfernoo - 2020-09-04

Hey, got a bit of feedback (just my opinions) on the new submenu background/icon situation. The second image here is the one in question, but I wanted to give context:

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Firstly, is it possible that the background match the set background for the submenu item, rather than the one for the widget below? It seems this is a side effect of the new fix for the background when unfocused... but I'm not sure.

Aside from that, I was wondering about some changes to the positioning of a few things on the submenu widget.

I like that if no background or icon are set, the label is centered now (as it used to be on the bottom, like when there is also an icon), but would the old positioning be possible when there is no icon set, but there is a background set? This way, the label is less likely to distract from any possible "focus" of the background image.

It also seems like the icons here could be a bit bigger without causing any issue... It seems that the icons in the top bar are slightly larger, but even that size seemed too small on the submenu widget for my eyes.

Lastly, in the case that there is an icon set, but no label, could the icon be centered (and/or even larger than when there is also a label)?

I recognize that these are relatively minor, but also seemed to be some of the finer "consistency"-type details... while still allowing many different options.


RE: Arctic Horizon - FXB78 - 2020-09-04

Since the latest update my On Deck/In Progress TV Shows from the Composite addon don't work as they did before. If I watch a show in position 2 on the Widget the show once completed moves to position 1 (from the left) but focus remains on position 2, which is a different show, previously this would move with the show to position 1, i.e. first from the left. It looks like when the Widget refreshes it doesn't move to the first entry in the Widget like it did previously.


RE: Arctic Horizon - jurialmunkey - 2020-09-05

(2020-09-04, 23:03)FXB78 Wrote: Since the latest update my On Deck/In Progress TV Shows from the Composite addon don't work as they did before. If I watch a show in position 2 on the Widget the show once completed moves to position 1 (from the left) but focus remains on position 2, which is a different show, previously this would move with the show to position 1, i.e. first from the left. It looks like when the Widget refreshes it doesn't move to the first entry in the Widget like it did previously.

There's been no changes to widgets (other than the submenu backgrounds) for at least a week.

Also what you're seeing is standard Kodi behaviour. Kodi remembers focus in lists based on the position not the item.

The only difference from old versions of the skin is that the old wrap around code forced the first position always to focus when moving from menu to widget. Now the skin just focuses the widget group rather than a specific widget/position and lets Kodi sort out which item/control should focus.

Can't got back to the old way because of focus issues it was causing in certain scenarios. Regardless, it was never the case that focus reset whilst staying on the widget when it refreshed - that's always worked the same way and is not something the skin handles.


RE: Arctic Horizon - jurialmunkey - 2020-09-05

(2020-09-04, 21:21)drinfernoo Wrote: Hey, got a bit of feedback (just my opinions) on the new submenu background/icon situation. The second image here is the one in question, but I wanted to give context:

Firstly, is it possible that the background match the set background for the submenu item, rather than the one for the widget below? It seems this is a side effect of the new fix for the background when unfocused... but I'm not sure.

Yeah it's a side-effect of the recent change. It's because background is tied into the same control which decides what info to show in the info widgets.

I think using background of submenu for background on screen is a bad idea. Many backgrounds suitable for use as an icon are not going to be suitable for actual background use (e.g. low res , has text etc).

Not sure what the other option is though - maybe just go back to default background when submenu is focused.

(2020-09-04, 21:21)drinfernoo Wrote: I like that if no background or icon are set, the label is centered now (as it used to be on the bottom, like when there is also an icon), but would the old positioning be possible when there is no icon set, but there is a background set? This way, the label is less likely to distract from any possible "focus" of the background image.

Just make a transparent png and set that as the icon. The text position change is only tied to using the "_none.png" icon - any other transparent icon with a different name or location isn't going to trigger it.

(2020-09-04, 21:21)drinfernoo Wrote: It also seems like the icons here could be a bit bigger without causing any issue... It seems that the icons in the top bar are slightly larger, but even that size seemed too small on the submenu widget for my eyes.
I'm probably not going to mess with the icon sizes much because there's a lot of different scenarios I've tested that I have to take into account. Probably should standardise them so that they at least match menu bar size though (I can't remember if they're actually different sizes or just an optical illusion -- I'll have to double check).

(2020-09-04, 21:21)drinfernoo Wrote: Lastly, in the case that there is an icon set, but no label, could the icon be centered?
I'm not sure if having no label causes issues for some skin shortcuts setups. I have a feeling it might mess with ID allocation. I'll have to do some tests but if its okay I otherwise think that this is a good idea.


RE: Arctic Horizon - jurialmunkey - 2020-09-05

(2020-09-04, 21:15)Mahava Wrote: Still testing out this skin on a separate Kodi profile on my system and had to disable TMDB Helper completely to (apparently) resolve all the slowdown issues I was having.

Initially I had deleted the widgets that reference this addon and it improved things, but later had some more issues with things not loading so wound up disabling it altogether.

An unfortunate side effect is losing the fanart blur effect that I like so much.

TMDB Helper seems to be what's causing the busy spinners to roll and preventing the customise skin button from opening etc.   I have no idea why.  I have it enabled on other skins/profiles and it doesn't seem to cause any issues there.
Can you test latest git version of TMDbhelper and see if that helps things?

Had a random hunch about delaying when Trakt first authenticates and it appears that it improves start up response a lot! I think maybe that was the bottleneck in the service monitor. But it's also possible I just got lucky whilst testing and had a string of fast start-ups for some random other reason - so would be good to have someone test.


RE: Arctic Horizon - drinfernoo - 2020-09-05

I did figure out how to have a non-info widget below a fullscreen widget... Make the second widget a submenu one! Then, neither that one nor the third widget have info.