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RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - bluesea - 2023-01-10
I have tested the latest build of Fandangos kodi v21 and there are failures.
In the next few days I will be working in other cities, and the test will be suspended.
Thank.
RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - CastagnaIT - 2023-01-10
@bluesea when you report any kind of problems you have to test on official releases not custom builds,
otherwise you are wasting the time of all of us in the team
RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - bluesea - 2023-01-16
Fresh installation official kodi-20230115-eccb6e85-master-27892-armeabi-v7a
AM6 is correct,debug log: ocuyeyazup (paste)
95H is still incorrect,debug log: iwuyucajec (paste)
thanks
RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - Skyrider - 2023-01-17
Hope I'm not hijacking the thread. I updated myself today, on a shield TV using 3840x2160 video settings in both shield TV and kodi at . Subtitles of simple tv content of 1080x1920 and UHD content are both running at 23.976 Fps and the subtitles are twice as higher than it was on Kodi 19. Setting its position to video or tv doesn't change anyhing. And I can't seem to manually adjust it, because my shield controller isn't responding on altering the position in the video settings.
RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - jjd-uk - 2023-01-17
You could try using video calibration to set location see https://kodi.wiki/view/Settings/System/Display#Video_calibration
Note I'm not sure if Shield remote will allow this to be adjusted via the D Pad. If you can adjust this then this will only take effect with Manual selection.
There is also up/down actions for Manual but that would likely need a keyboard.
RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - Skyrider - 2023-01-18
(2023-01-17, 22:44)jjd-uk Wrote: You could try using video calibration to set location see https://kodi.wiki/view/Settings/System/Display#Video_calibrationThanks, but as I mentioned yesterday the controller left/right/up/down won't work I'm afraid with the video calibration.
Note I'm not sure if Shield remote will allow this to be adjusted via the D Pad. If you can adjust this then this will only take effect with Manual selection.
There is also up/down actions for Manual but that would likely need a keyboard.
RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - bossanova808 - 2023-01-19
Are you using Estuary/Estouchy?
Initial testing with V20 shows that Video Calibration is broken for skins that haven't been updated - namely Confluence, which I still use. If you pop in to Estuary, do it there, then go back to your skin, the results are saved...
RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - Hitcher - 2023-01-19
(2023-01-17, 21:50)Skyrider Wrote: Hope I'm not hijacking the thread. I updated myself today, on a shield TV using 3840x2160 video settings in both shield TV and kodi at . Subtitles of simple tv content of 1080x1920 and UHD content are both running at 23.976 Fps and the subtitles are twice as higher than it was on Kodi 19. Setting its position to video or tv doesn't change anyhing. And I can't seem to manually adjust it, because my shield controller isn't responding on altering the position in the video settings.
(2023-01-18, 17:47)Skyrider Wrote: Thanks, but as I mentioned yesterday the controller left/right/up/down won't work I'm afraid with the video calibration.
(2023-01-19, 13:07)bossanova808 Wrote: Are you using Estuary/Estouchy?
Initial testing with V20 shows that Video Calibration is broken for skins that haven't been updated - namely Confluence, which I still use. If you pop in to Estuary, do it there, then go back to your skin, the results are saved...
There was a GUI change to the screen calibration screen that has broken every skin apart from Estuary/Estouchy.
RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - bossanova808 - 2023-01-19
I see it in the skin changes now - https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=363553
changed controls
mover and resize (details)
NOTE: This will break your skin's SettingsScreenCalibration.xml unless you add movingspeed to your controls.
Estuary example here.
Seems an easy enough change, at least. And I guess one has to add the reset as well.
RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - Hitcher - 2023-01-20
(2023-01-19, 23:41)bossanova808 Wrote: And I guess one has to add the reset as well.Yes, I didn't notice that change but have added it to the skin changes thread.
RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - bossanova808 - 2023-01-20
Well I updated my own fork of Confluence (which is very vanilla) - https://github.com/bossanova808/skin.confluence/commit/e9e3ae316856649ca3b9a5670ea44a8e95c547e1#diff-202913671bf67646b2a13d65877a8c4c0649db91aa1002c6c71584e680cc7f80 - to fix the screen calibration. Brings it more in line with Estuary in terms of the display, makes the controls work again, and has the reset step (which I find janky as anything, but doesn't seem avoidable). I had to pinch a couple textures from Estuary too.
It's an easy change but I am not sure how to submit it as a PR back to the Confluence repor as I have kind of diverged from Master quite a long ago and I am not git proficient enough to say 'create a PR with just these changes....'
(This was all so I can use manual positioning of the subs - so I can put all subtitles right near the actual bottom of the screen, instead of using the new Kodi 'Bottom of Screen' option which, mystifyingly, puts the subs a solid quarter way up the screen...?)
RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - bluesea - 2023-02-25
CONTINUING TESTING ON SONYTV 95H,When cropped DOVI video is played ,I SAW FROM THE Debug Log THAT THE CONFIGURATION IS DIFFERENT.
net.kodinerds.maven.kodi20.armeabi-v7a-202210190149-2d34a742-Nexus：https://paste.kodi.tv/omofubaded
943 2023-02-25 18:37:45.139 T:10248 debug <general>: CRenderManager::Configure - change configuration. 3840x1608. display: 3839x1608. framerate: 23.98.-->Subtitle position ok
official kodi-20230224-b58fd2e8-master-armeabi-v7a： https://paste.kodi.tv/eputirepiv
1823 2023-02-25 18:31:29.909 T:9851 debug <general>: CRenderManager::Configure - change configuration. 3840x2160. display: 3840x1608. framerate: 23.98.-->Subtitle position not ok
Hopefully a developer will fix this. Thank you.
RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - Doktor-X - 2023-04-01
Kodi 20.1,
I also can't figure out how to move the subtitles more towards the bottom of the screen, I tried the settings to calibrate the position of the subtitles but nothing helps, whatever I choose they are always in the same place
Edit
I manage to figure out how to change position of subtitles, you need to manual change resolution and refresh rate for every resolution and refresh rate you have and change position inside of calibration one by one
RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - bossanova808 - 2023-04-01
An alternative approach I read somewhere (i.e.o the very tedious process of adjusting for each resolution/refresh combo) - is to set the subtitle 'Position on Screen' control to 'manual' and then set the vertical margin to about 1.5% or thereabouts - this puts the subtitles quite low on your screen, but not excessively so, and need only be done once (i.e. works for all refresh rates/resolutions automatically).
For some reasons the default 4.95% vertical margin results in subtitles about a third of the way up the screen, way too high. It's a pretty weird default.
Nether the 'bottom of video' or 'bottom of screen' options seem to work properly (or as I would expect at least), in my experience. I was naturally inclined to choose bottom of screen, but then still had subtitles routinely way too high with this. So not really sure how that works. This 'manual' approach works pretty well, overall, with most subtitles then being near the bottom, where thy should be.
However, Kodi does seem to now over-rule subtitle positions much less then previously - or maybe it's just a recent fashion in subtitles - but I am seeing way more subtitles appearing in odd places, like the top of the screen etc. I guess this is bring done as a sort of creative decision (e.g. if not much is happening at the top of the frame) - but like custom fonts etc, it's just annoying in practise (for me, and others I watch with, at least).
Add to that the fashion for wildly varying colours (that don't react to HDR properly etc - British TV seems big on this) - and it makes for a less than ideal subs experience. The whole point of subtitles is to enhance clarity - thus one font, one location, one colour would ideally be something we can specify and get as a consistent thing.
RE: Subtitles Position Debacle - jjd-uk - 2023-04-02
In my experience if it's PGS subtitles from Blu-ray then it's just following what positions are set in the subtitle track. It's these in my experience that can have fancy fonts, colours, and positioning that can hop about, and is a creative decision by the director/studio.