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- SpiffBB - 2009-01-06
SystemLord Wrote:Yes, i am aware of the hfx cases. Only the micro as you described can't cool a E8400 passive (my goal). The mini heatsink is not desgined for that (35w max) and the case (max 50W) Then i doubt if it fits 3 heatsinks (CPU,NB,SB), which is 1 heatsink which covers all with the heatsink 2500 from a-tech.
So, the closest option is the HFX Mini or Home server, but this case is bigger, and more expensive than the mini...
Hello again
There maight be hope!
Look att mcubeds forum (you have to register first).
http://www.mcubed-tech.com/forum/
Mcubed have built the Micro with a E7200 and a Intel DG45FC, there are some problems about the southbridge getting to hot so you will have to put a heatsink or mod a heatpipe to it. Also look at this Swedish site about a Micro with a Q9100 witch probably run hotter then the E8400 (just a "crazy" overkill test from the Swedish distributor).
http://tystpc.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3741
Maybe google can translate to you or feel free to ask if there is something you cant understand.
About the heatpipes, as i understand it its 30w/pipe - not 30w total. Then there is also a limit for the case (seen different numbers but probably a bit under 100w). Therefore most CPU
would make it with 2 heatpipes. I have just ordered a Micro to serve as a 24/7 MythTV backend (running XBMC as frontend on two other machines) with a E5200, will probably use 2 heatpipes for the CPU, 1 for the GPU and the last one to the bridge.
Beside HFX and A-Tech there is Hush (high price) and Zalman (discontinued) - are there any more manufacturers of heatpipe cases for more "normal" computers (not week VIA Mini-ITX)?
Regards
Oscar
- SystemLord - 2009-01-06
SpiffBB Wrote:Hello again
There maight be hope!
Look att mcubeds forum (you have to register first).
http://www.mcubed-tech.com/forum/
Mcubed have built the Micro with a E7200 and a Intel DG45FC, there are some problems about the southbridge getting to hot so you will have to put a heatsink or mod a heatpipe to it. Also look at this Swedish site about a Micro with a Q9100 witch probably run hotter then the E8400 (just a "crazy" overkill test from the Swedish distributor).
http://tystpc.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3741
Maybe google can translate to you or feel free to ask if there is something you cant understand.
Thanks! Will do some reading over there.
Quote:About the heatpipes, as i understand it its 30w/pipe - not 30w total. Then there is also a limit for the case (seen different numbers but probably a bit under 100w). Therefore most CPU
Yes, for as far i understand the 30W/pipe is max, the safezone is 15W/pipe
But as you told the numbers are different everywhere. :confused2:
Quote:I have just ordered a Micro to serve as a 24/7 MythTV backend (running XBMC as frontend on two other machines) with a E5200, will probably use 2 heatpipes for the CPU, 1 for the GPU and the last one to the bridge.
Great, will you post the results and your findings with this case here?
Quote:Beside HFX and A-Tech there is Hush (high price) and Zalman (discontinued) - are there any more manufacturers of heatpipe cases for more "normal" computers (not week VIA Mini-ITX)?
Not that i am aware off.
I asked a-tech if they sell their heatsink and pipes as a stand alone product, (was planning to use that heatsink in the hfx mini) but they only sell complete packages.
- SpiffBB - 2009-01-07
"Great, will you post the results and your findings with this case here?"
Sure, but just ordered so it will take a few weeks.
- ZTOctavian - 2009-01-10
Dwolf Wrote:my recent windows XBMC htpc build.. which replaced the xbox in my main room
DG45FC x4500 HDMI Media mITX mobo
Intel e8600 CPU
HIPER HFC-10828-C2 ultra-slim heatsink
Patriot 64gb 2.5'' warp SSD
4gb of Kingston pc6400 RAM
120watt PicoPSU
Aopen S120 mITX case (cheap, tiny, and very nice piano black finish)
Logitech Harmony One Remote + USB-UIRT to control everything
Hey dwolf!
I sourced and ordered everything on you setup even the case.
I also got one of those little northbridge heatsinks for the chipset as it gets very warm at 92!!! So if should drop temps by 35 def or so.
Had you any heat related issues?
Nick
- Dwolf - 2009-01-11
ZTOctavian Wrote:Hey dwolf!
I sourced and ordered everything on you setup even the case.
I also got one of those little northbridge heatsinks for the chipset as it gets very warm at 92!!! So if should drop temps by 35 def or so.
Had you any heat related issues?
Nick
minor heat issues (no problems as such, but monitored temps were too high in my opinion so I set out to reduce that)
one has to build a very neat case to help improve airflow (especially considering how tight everything is)
so.... I modded a Enzotech CNB-S1 for the southbridge to help cool it, way too hot without.
I replaced the northbridge HS with a Enzotech CNB-R1 + Scythe 40mm Silent Fan.
The two 60mm in the case I found were too noisy at 12v so I volt modded them to 5V, I also reversed them to intake air rather than exhuast. I also cut out the metal on that side case to improve airflow for the fans
Also note that the picopsu installed in this case is a tight fit, the voltage regulators on the psu module will touch the ram on the slot closest (so i put a thin piece of thermal material to barier them. Also note that the other side of the psu module will touch the front led/button pcb (my solution was to resolder the psu's molex cable to point upwards rather than horizontal.
This case is a very very tight fit, proper hidden cable management is required to help fit all the components in this case.
this thread has lots of good info for this mobo; I modelled my build after john's at avsforum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14808858&highlight=s120#post14808858 (although I didnt extend the case with the drive extension like him, his would have a bit more breathing room because of that)
If i get time I will post a few pics of my build. Once eventhing is completed, the components in this case; and the build required is quite a work of art
also @ SystemLord .. that atechfabrication case is gorgeous; my brother went that route; quality of it is perfect, nothing like it, but again way too expensive. Its nice, but I perfer the tight & power build the S120 case provides
- SystemLord - 2009-01-12
Mmm, a new s775 mini-itx is comming soon from zotec, looks promosing.
http://www.techpowerup.com/81384/Zotac_Releases_New_GeForce_9300_ITX_Platform.html
Processor Support
- Intel Core 2 Duo
- Intel Core 2 Quad
- Intel Core 2 Extreme
- Intel Pentium
- Intel Celeron
- LGA775 Socket
- Up to 1333 MHz FSB
Chipset
- NVIDIA GeForce 9300
Front Side Bus
- 800/1066/1333MHz FSB (HT Support)
Memory
- Two DDR1 Sockets Supports up to 8GB (DDR2 800)
I/O Onboard
- One Channel Parallel ATA133 Connector (Support up to 2 Devices)
- One DVI (HDCP w/Audio)
- One HDMI (w/Audio)
- One VGA
- Two SATA (SATA 3.0 Gbps)
- One e.SATA (SATA 3.0 Gbps)
- One PS/2 (Keyboard)
LAN
- Onboard 10/100/1000 Mb/s
USB
- 16 USB 2.0 (6 on back panel, 6 on pin header)
- nugentgl - 2009-01-12
SystemLord Wrote:Mmm, a new s775 mini-itx is comming soon from zotec, looks promosing.
http://www.techpowerup.com/81384/Zotac_Releases_New_GeForce_9300_ITX_Platform.html
Processor Support
- Intel Core 2 Duo
- Intel Core 2 Quad
- Intel Core 2 Extreme
- Intel Pentium
- Intel Celeron
- LGA775 Socket
- Up to 1333 MHz FSB
Chipset
- NVIDIA GeForce 9300
Front Side Bus
- 800/1066/1333MHz FSB (HT Support)
Memory
- Two DDR1 Sockets Supports up to 8GB (DDR2 800)
I/O Onboard
- One Channel Parallel ATA133 Connector (Support up to 2 Devices)
- One DVI (HDCP w/Audio)
- One HDMI (w/Audio)
- One VGA
- Two SATA (SATA 3.0 Gbps)
- One e.SATA (SATA 3.0 Gbps)
- One PS/2 (Keyboard)
LAN
- Onboard 10/100/1000 Mb/s
USB
- 16 USB 2.0 (6 on back panel, 6 on pin header)
yep, saw that over on avsforum and I can't wait to go smaller without going the G45 route.
- Gamester17 - 2009-01-12
Compucase 8K01 (8K01BS-SA100U) and 8K07 seems like a really cheap and nice looking Mini-ITX chassi (if can find it for sale online):
http://www.compucase.com.tw/
http://www.hec-group.com.tw/pccase/8k/
- SystemLord - 2009-01-13
Gamester17 Wrote:Compucase 8K01 (8K01BS-SA100U) and 8K07 seems like a really cheap and nice looking Mini-ITX chassi (if can find it for sale online):
http://www.compucase.com.tw/
http://www.hec-group.com.tw/pccase/8k/
Well, these cases are very nice!
For me i'll take another route, my main concern was to have a box in the livingroom which has to be silent, and not to big (WAF). Passive cooling looked as the solution, but is rather expensive.
Thinking about that, with today's motherboards which can handle HDMI and SPDIF etc, i came across the fact that the HDMI and SPDIF cables kan be up to 50 meters in lenght.
In my house i have a small cabinet (meter cupboard) which is seperated from my livingroom and about 10 meters aways in cable lenghts.
So i should be able to place my small machine in there and put some cables under my house. In fact i already did that and tested the lenghts with succes. So now the system has not to be in my living room which i really like.
I control xbmc with my ipod touch, and have wlan everywhere.
As a case i gonna make use of a small industrial well ventilated wall mount case:
http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=12244
So, my setup i'm thinking of, will be:
- Mini itx board (intel dg45fc or the new zotec, waiting for the price)
- The Packbox G case as described above
- Intell E8400 proc
- Some memory
- A 2.5 inch hdd (7200rpm)
- A Pico PSU
- A low profile cooler (the hyper one is difficult to get so i'm aiming for the NT07-775 from silverstone:
http://www.sundialmicro.com/silverstone_sstnt07775_cpu_cooler_1740_1494.html
So, just to share my thoughts, to place your machine anywhere, since hdmi and spdif etc can be up to 50 meters, i tested it with 10 meters, so don't now if above the 10 meters still works without delays... This in combination with the xbmc control on a ipod touch/phone.
And the cabinet (meter cupboard) i wrote about also houses my cable modem, wifi router. So everything is in reach.
This cabinet (meter cupboard) should apply in the dutch households (meterkast) most of the houses has them, can't speak for other country's.
- gurkburk - 2009-01-13
Gamester17 Wrote:Compucase 8K01 (8K01BS-SA100U) and 8K07 seems like a really cheap and nice looking Mini-ITX chassi (if can find it for sale online):
http://www.compucase.com.tw/
http://www.hec-group.com.tw/pccase/8k/
As you live in Sweden you should check out Prisjakt
http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=376442
- TomJensen - 2009-01-16
XBMC is a fairly lightweight app, and shouldn't require a C2D to run it. It's not so much the added cost, but the added power (and heat, and noise) that goes with running a "mainstream" PC.
I think this is a better solution:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/12/nvidia-ion-platform-gets-demonstrated-at-ces/
The Atom 330 (which I'm presently running for my HTPC) is perfectly capable, and requires very little power. The only big strike against it for now is Intel's ancient chipset. With the Nvidia 9000 chipset, it can now easily do 1080p, and still retain its low-power and small-size advantages.
- eriksmith200 - 2009-01-16
I ordered the InWin BM639 mini-ITX case but it took the shop 3 weeks to figure out that they can't ship to the Netherlands *grumble*
I'm thinking about going for the Procase Noah (black) w. passive 80W PSU, but I'm not fully sure if the PSU is strong enough for my setup (Jetway NC62K with AMD Athlon X2 5050e).
http://www.procase.nl/details.asp?ID=920
- Dwolf - 2009-01-17
TomJensen Wrote:XBMC is a fairly lightweight app, and shouldn't require a C2D to run it. It's not so much the added cost, but the added power (and heat, and noise) that goes with running a "mainstream" PC.
I think this is a better solution:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/12/nvidia-ion-platform-gets-demonstrated-at-ces/
The Atom 330 (which I'm presently running for my HTPC) is perfectly capable, and requires very little power. The only big strike against it for now is Intel's ancient chipset. With the Nvidia 9000 chipset, it can now easily do 1080p, and still retain its low-power and small-size advantages.
for the 1000000000th time, currently XBMC does not use the gpu to decode videos, hence all the processing has to be done on the cpu (atm a nice c3d 3ghz is recommended)
without gpu assistance that atom cpu will hardly have enough grunt to playback low bitrate 720p files
if xbmc ever does use gpu acceleration, then this platform would be fine, but until then ... nope
Travla C137/Jetway NC62K ITX HTPC - DaveNeedsToKnow - 2009-02-09
Thought I'd share my little ITX based project
Its based on the Jetway NC62K motherboard in a Travla C137 120W case
For more details see my web page
- eriksmith200 - 2009-02-09
DaveNeedsToKnow Wrote:Thought I'd share my little ITX based project
Its based on the Jetway NC62K motherboard in a Travla C137 120W case
For more details see my web page
What are your experiences with the Silverstone NT07 cooler? I wanted to get a Hiper HFC 30820-C1 but they were sold out. I now have a cheap Asus cooler, replaced the fan with a nexus real silent fan, but the temps get pretty high (although I haven't done much tweaking yet), thinking about replacing it with the Silverstone. Do you know if the Silverstone has a standard 80mm fan?