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RE: WMC as the backend - released - krustyreturns - 2013-09-20
(2013-09-20, 01:31)ferretlegs Wrote: I also tested the instant record button which now works, but unfortunately the original stream does peter out for me after a few secs every time, even though I have multiple tuners. So for some reason the instant recording isn't firing up on another tuner it seems.
Overall this new version does seem to be feeling more 'solid' in terms of general consistency whilst using.
So I looked at this some more. And here is what I found:
When you ask wmc's recording service to start a recording, you can't specify which tuner to use, it does that itself. When a recording is requested and, if there are no free tuners available, it will never steal a tuner from an active recording, but it will steal one from a live-tv stream. However if there are free tuners available it will use one of these instead of stealing from live-tv.
It turns out there is an exception though, that I wasn't aware of until I investigated this problem: if you are watching a live-tv stream and a recording request is made for THAT SAME CHANNEL, it will use the same tuner to do the recording - even if there are free tuners available. Scarecrow is right, even though there are free tuners available it figures it is better to use one tuner than two doing the same thing. In wmc it is able to switch from live-tv to the recorded stream fairly seamlessly - but we don't have that level of control in the server/client setup that xbmc uses.
So really our only clean solution to this is the one we wanted to do from the beginning, that is when you hit instant record it uses the wtv file it has been using to stream live tv and 'promotes' it to a new recording - the advantage here being seamless recording and the show will be recorded from the time you started watching it, not from when you hit record. Only problem with this is that on the programming side its a little tricky as there are a number of moving parts, so it won't be a super quick fix. In the mean time, if you want to keep watching after you do an instant record, you need to find the live recording in the 'recordings' section and continue watching there.
(2013-09-20, 14:38)scooper750 Wrote: Just out of curiosity, what PVR client addon are you guys using to interface with the WMC backend.
I haven't seen it mentioned. I'm running OpenElec and not sure what PVR client to choose.
I will request to get the latest clients built for linux, but these will be x86 and x64 based - we do not yet have any builds for ARM based machines.
RE: WMC as the backend - released - Dilligaf - 2013-09-20
While PVR clients for x86 and x64 are included in repos for all builds arm/Raspberrypi/Ouya/android pvr clients don't have a repo and are the responsibility of whoever is making these builds to include. If you want wmc.pvr included in your favorite build you will have to request it from the builder until it's added to the official repo.
RE: WMC as the backend - released - Dilligaf - 2013-09-21
@Krusty any idea when you plan to submit this to the official repos? IMO core functionality is solid and it would get tons more exposure
Re: RE: WMC as the backend - released - bry - 2013-09-21
(2013-09-21, 01:40)Dilligaf Wrote: @Krusty any idea when you plan to submit this to the official repos? IMO core functionality is solid and it would get tons more exposure
Should probably wait until there is more solid documentation and add it to the wiki first.
RE: WMC as the backend - released - krustyreturns - 2013-09-21
(2013-09-21, 01:40)Dilligaf Wrote: @Krusty any idea when you plan to submit this to the official repos? IMO core functionality is solid and it would get tons more exposure
Thanks.
No, I haven't thought about it at all. I'm not even sure what's involved. I thought I had to at least have it ported to more systems.
(2013-09-21, 01:46)bry- Wrote:(2013-09-21, 01:40)Dilligaf Wrote: @Krusty any idea when you plan to submit this to the official repos? IMO core functionality is solid and it would get tons more exposure
Should probably wait until there is more solid documentation and add it to the wiki first.
Man, talk about a job I do not want to do - you may have seen what my documentation looks like. Any volunteers?
RE: WMC as the backend - released - scarecrow420 - 2013-09-21
I think we have a bit more testing and fixes to do before it can be official
Re: RE: WMC as the backend - released - Cab121 - 2013-09-21
(2013-09-21, 02:24)krustyreturns Wrote:(2013-09-21, 01:40)Dilligaf Wrote: @Krusty any idea when you plan to submit this to the official repos? IMO core functionality is solid and it would get tons more exposure
Thanks.
No, I haven't thought about it at all. I'm not even sure what's involved. I thought I had to at least have it ported to more systems.
This is actually a good idea . Even offering it up in the OpenElec forums is good exposure for a port. The devs over there have the Arm architecture to port for a solid base .
RE: WMC as the backend - released - hoopsdavis - 2013-09-21
Anyone looking for channel logos I've shared a folder of color and BW logos at the link below
Channel Logos
RE: WMC as the backend - released - krustyreturns - 2013-09-21
Tomba gave me Linux builds of the new client. I'm in So Cal right now, so I'll put them up on Monday.
RE: WMC as the backend - released - hoopsdavis - 2013-09-21
(2013-09-21, 23:26)krustyreturns Wrote: Tomba gave me Linux builds of the new client. I'm in So Cal right now, so I'll put them up on Monday.
Good Stuff dude.
By the way, not one pause since moving to the new drive.
RE: WMC as the backend - released - krustyreturns - 2013-09-21
(2013-09-21, 23:41)hoopsdavis Wrote:(2013-09-21, 23:26)krustyreturns Wrote: Tomba gave me Linux builds of the new client. I'm in So Cal right now, so I'll put them up on Monday.
Good Stuff dude.
By the way, not one pause since moving to the new drive.
Are you using the newest Rev of both? And testing with two streams?
RE: WMC as the backend - released - hoopsdavis - 2013-09-22
(2013-09-21, 23:54)krustyreturns Wrote:(2013-09-21, 23:41)hoopsdavis Wrote:(2013-09-21, 23:26)krustyreturns Wrote: Tomba gave me Linux builds of the new client. I'm in So Cal right now, so I'll put them up on Monday.
Good Stuff dude.
By the way, not one pause since moving to the new drive.
Are you using the newest Rev of both? And testing with two streams?
I was using the newest rev but I was running into an issue, xmbc would freeze and even after ending the process, I had to reboot to open xbmc again, but after rolling back to a previous client app I haven't run into that problem again. Not really sure if it was the client but after rolling back and resolving it I didn't want to try again just yet. But the new server has no issue.
RE: WMC as the backend - released - ferretlegs - 2013-09-22
(2013-09-20, 17:44)krustyreturns Wrote: So I looked at this some more. And here is what I found:
When you ask wmc's recording service to start a recording, you can't specify which tuner to use, it does that itself. When a recording is requested and, if there are no free tuners available, it will never steal a tuner from an active recording, but it will steal one from a live-tv stream. However if there are free tuners available it will use one of these instead of stealing from live-tv.
It turns out there is an exception though, that I wasn't aware of until I investigated this problem: if you are watching a live-tv stream and a recording request is made for THAT SAME CHANNEL, it will use the same tuner to do the recording - even if there are free tuners available. Scarecrow is right, even though there are free tuners available it figures it is better to use one tuner than two doing the same thing. In wmc it is able to switch from live-tv to the recorded stream fairly seamlessly - but we don't have that level of control in the server/client setup that xbmc uses.
So really our only clean solution to this is the one we wanted to do from the beginning, that is when you hit instant record it uses the wtv file it has been using to stream live tv and 'promotes' it to a new recording - the advantage here being seamless recording and the show will be recorded from the time you started watching it, not from when you hit record. Only problem with this is that on the programming side its a little tricky as there are a number of moving parts, so it won't be a super quick fix. In the mean time, if you want to keep watching after you do an instant record, you need to find the live recording in the 'recordings' section and continue watching there.
Understood. I suppose its just a shame that xbmc cannot deal with in-progress wtv natively, it would more naturally reflect the way WMC currently works and do away with so many of the current work arounds. Things like being able to instantly record something you are watching is something that family members have become accustomed to expect since VCR days. Its often hard to convince them of the superiority of xbmc when it sometimes struggles with the basics. Things like this don't worry me personally, its just the normal WAF issues lol.
RE: WMC as the backend - released - krustyreturns - 2013-09-22
When we have it implemented correctly it will be just as seamless and work better.
RE: WMC as the backend - released - hoopsdavis - 2013-09-22
(2013-09-21, 23:54)krustyreturns Wrote:(2013-09-21, 23:41)hoopsdavis Wrote:(2013-09-21, 23:26)krustyreturns Wrote: Tomba gave me Linux builds of the new client. I'm in So Cal right now, so I'll put them up on Monday.
Good Stuff dude.
By the way, not one pause since moving to the new drive.
Are you using the newest Rev of both? And testing with two streams?
I was using the newest rev but I was running into an issue, xmbc would freeze and even after ending the process, I had to reboot to open xbmc again, but after rolling back to a previous client app I haven't run into that problem again. Not really sure if it was the client but after rolling back and resolving it I didn't want to try again just yet. But the new server has no issue.
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