[BigBillSD]

I have a fairly large TV and I have always been able to change the Guide Fonts, Number of Rows and number of Columns to fit whatever TV size was being used.   I have not been able to figure out how to make that happen on my 75" TV with the Nextpvr add on, I can't find it on the main nextpvr app either.  The default size is probably ok on a 40" TV but looks to be "blind man" size on the large TV.  My 30yo son made that comment and he was right.
How do I change them?
-Bill

[emveepee]

All Kodi PVR addons  use the same skins so that is not pvr.nextpvr specific, maybe post in the skins section for your skin.

I don't know what you mean by the main NextPVR app, questions on it are on the NextPVR forum. Some client skins can be tweaked.

Martin

[BigBillSD]

All Kodi PVR addons  use the same skins so that is not pvr.nextpvr specific, maybe post in the skins section for your skin.

I don't know what you mean by the main NextPVR app, questions on it are on the NextPVR forum. Some client skins can be tweaked.

Martin

I guess that means the nextpvr addon you told me about doesn't have that option then.  Also, the nextpvr app is the one that can be opened on the nextpvr pc.  It doesn't look like a webpage, so I called it an app.  The way you mentioned I should try the addon a couple months back,  I though you were involved with it.   Maybe someone else will know if its possible.  Its kind of a standard with other pvr's that have been around 20 years...

[ksooo]

You do not stop to tell us about other PVRs which are so much better than what we have with Kodi. Why can’t just just go and use those others? You have the freedom of choice. If you like SageTV so much, just go with it and be happy.

[emveepee]

If you are talking UI clients and NextPVR.exe and not Kodi PVR I said those can be tweaked and you shouldn't be posting about them on the Kodi forum.    I use a 3 hour guide (the default is 2) FWIW  However you came on this forum wanting Kodi PVR for SageTV so I am lost where you are coming from.

IMO SageTV looks like shit on a big or even small screen and it certainly has a 20 year old feel.  Part of that is what you are used too.

Martin

[BigBillSD]

If you are talking UI clients and NextPVR.exe and not Kodi PVR I said those can be tweaked and you shouldn't be posting about them on the Kodi forum.    I use a 3 hour guide (the default is 2) FWIW  However you came on this forum wanting Kodi PVR for SageTV so I am lost where you are coming from.

IMO SageTV looks like shit on a big or even small screen and it certainly has a 20 year old feel.  Part of that is what you are used too.

Martin

I am just trying to use NextPVR and the Kodi Addon, I was told it was Vastly superior to SageTV back in August.   So far,  I am unable to see what you meant.  I am asking for help with the Kodi NextPVR addon.  But apparently, based on your remarks here,  there is no help to be received here for the Kodi NextPVR Addon as I must have misunderstood there was.   ROFL.

Seems I just need to keep using Plain Kodi, mapping drives to the SageTV server as it seems to get the job done.  -Bill

[BigBillSD]

You do not stop to tell us about other PVRs which are so much better than what we have with Kodi. Why can’t just just go and use those others? You have the freedom of choice. If you like SageTV so much, just go with it and be happy.

Ksooo, If SageTV had updated clients I wouldn't consider looking for something new.  But currently it doesn't.  And Kodi doesn't have the PVR piece that SageTV excels at  from what I can tell or have been told.    Or are you saying it does

Right now I have to switch back to the SageTV interface to add new recordings.   I was hoping the Addon's to a PVR would make that moot.  So I am looking at NextPVR as was suggested to replace SageTV.   So far its missing a lot of things we've taken for granted that were available in 1999 Reply TV's and the guys at Sage took those options and made amazing extensions to them.  (But only If you knew Jennys Phone number)   

-Bill

[emveepee]

I am just trying to use NextPVR and the Kodi Addon, I was told it was Vastly superior to SageTV back in August.   So far,  I am unable to see what you meant.  I am asking for help with the Kodi NextPVR addon.  But apparently, based on your remarks here,  there is no help to be received here for the Kodi NextPVR Addon as I must have misunderstood there was.   ROFL.

Seems I just need to keep using Plain Kodi, mapping drives to the SageTV server as it seems to get the job done.  -Bill

I don't recall one post saying Kodi PVR was superior to SageTV, I took exception to you saying only SageTV was stable because that is absolutely false.

Again if your issue with Kodi PVR skins I told you to post in the Skin support section on this forum.  I don't know why that response makes you laugh. All the PVR backends share common support.

Martin

[ksooo]

> that were available in 1999 Reply TV's

You just don’t get that this kind of comments are telling the kodi developers that they have done a very bad job not even being able to provide what other PVRs have for so many years. Do you think this attitude will increase willingness of the devs to help you?

Yes, you are right to some extent at least, but i tell you what. Pay 2-3 kodi devs a 120K yearly salary and you will get pretty fast what you want.

I think you simply don’t get how this project works and what is achievable with a small team of volunteers.

[emveepee]

Skins are very personal and I apologize for my comments about the SageTV  since I only saw the basic v7 guide and never tried other SageTV skins.  I do think that the skins are what keep people using SageTV and WMC well after their end of backend life.  I hear the same comments from Android Live Channels users and it is also dead.  I like using products that are supported.

Personally I started with XBMC and Mayhem III and moved to Confluence and Estuary never really hooked me, I expect people who start with Estuary won't feel the same way and appreciate the work that ksooo and jjd-uk and other do on it.  I am not sure which skins the OP has even tried so hard to know where is comments are coming from.

There are many other media centre alternatives too like Plex, Emby and Jellyfin the interesting thing is users create and support Kodi addons for them so Kodi must be doing something right.

I used Replay TV to and can't think of one thing except the fully integrated comskip (it takes manual configuration in TVHeadend and NextPVR) that would make it better PVR.  Arbitrary statements of missing functionality don't mean much, and certainly doesn't help make a better UI, or increase backend functionality.

Martin

[BigBillSD]

Skins are very personal and I apologize for my comments about the SageTV  since I only saw the basic v7 guide and never tried other SageTV skins.  I do think that the skins are what keep people using SageTV and WMC well after their end of backend life.  I hear the same comments from Android Live Channels users and it is also dead.  I like using products that are supported.

Personally I started with XBMC and Mayhem III and moved to Confluence and Estuary never really hooked me, I expect people who start with Estuary won't feel the same way and appreciate the work that ksooo and jjd-uk and other do on it.  I am not sure which skins the OP has even tried so hard to know where is comments are coming from.

There are many other media centre alternatives too like Plex, Emby and Jellyfin the interesting thing is users create and support Kodi addons for them so Kodi must be doing something right.

I used Replay TV to and can't think of one thing except the fully integrated comskip (it takes manual configuration in TVHeadend and NextPVR) that would make it better PVR.  Arbitrary statements of missing functionality don't mean much, and certainly doesn't help make a better UI, or increase backend functionality.

Martin

Got it.   The other skins were ok but I just use the original one.  Its just ok.  But then, I really care about the functionality than the look and feel.  Yes, many others care more about the look.  I was always an engineer, so functionality is king in my book.    The real power of SageTV is only seen if you enable the "Advanced" menu system.  Most folks don't really know that exists as there is no way to choose it from the menus.   You must go into the Systems Information page.  Then type in Jenny's Number (the one you don't want to lose) to bring up a the "Enable All Extra Options" menu choice.  Once enabled, there isn't really anything you cannot change in SageTV to make it work the way you want.  Those settings used to be common knowledge to power users.   And then there are all the plugins that allow you to add almost any functionality, like different skins, or scraping web content to watch on your tv to comskip and its zillion settings.  Even Anti-Favorites, Podcast recorders, Job Queues, automated recording extenders for live sporting events, special automated transcoder jobs, even youtube recording engine.  I don't think the advanced menu is needed to change all the guide settings to fit screens. 

Here is their simple Guide Display options menu you can popup from the remote to customize them so you can read them from almost any distance you chose to sit from your TV,  the bigger the TV the smaller you can make the font or number of columns or number of rows so they are visible.  Single line or double line, with logos or not. 

I had no idea that the DVR plug was totally dependent on other developers to change the screens.  I will start looking for that.  Maybe you can let me know if its even changeable before I spend hours trying to figure it out? 

Would I be correct to think that even if someone decided to create a PVR plugin for SageTV it would still be reliant on the skin developers to make it capable of changing the interface like this simple menu does? 

This is a screen shot of the guide changes that can be made on the fly.   https://imgur.com/a/uGHSASY


-Bill

[emveepee]

Yes all PVR addon share the same skins and look and feel.   With Kodi the look and feel and configuration is up to the skinner but Kodi is client driven so each client has its own skin.

I know the NextPVR "app" as you call it, (windows exe and UI clients for other platforms) allows tweaking all those settings, and skins are by client not global.    Theses skins are configurable including all the variables you posted but it has been a long time since a skinner tried to change the defaults.  Only icon/text and the number of display hours are configurable but too many hours is hard to use even on a big screen withTMI.   The web interface is usually better for browsing especially with 100's of channels.  Surfing the guide is definitely retro.

Martin

[BigBillSD]

Yes all PVR addon share the same skins and look and feel.   With Kodi the look and feel and configuration is up to the skinner but Kodi is client driven so each client has its own skin.

I know the NextPVR "app" as you call it, (windows exe and UI clients for other platforms) allows tweaking all those settings, and skins are by client not global.    Theses skins are configurable including all the variables you posted but it has been a long time since a skinner tried to change the defaults.  Only icon/text and the number of display hours are configurable but too many hours is hard to use even on a big screen withTMI.   The web interface is usually better for browsing especially with 100's of channels.  Surfing the guide is definitely retro.

Martin

Oh,  I haven't found those ways to Tweak those settings yet on the "app".  I will have to look closer.  But I probably won't hook a pc up to my TVs so that might be moot.  I am really liking that Onn 4k pro streaming box, the remotes are soo much better than those Shield remotes we've been using for a very long time.  Also Infuse, when it works correctly, on the apple TV box pointing at the Plex back-end that is reading the SageTV recordings.  But Since the Infuse v8 updates,  its become really unstable for me.    As you can see from the screen shot, STV allows you to change all those settings on the fly for the TV its connected too, so it never has be be hard to use as its so simple to change to make the perfect size.

[BigBillSD]

@ksoo,  I am not saying they are doing a bad job.. from what I can tell they didn't expect it to be used as a PVR from the get go.  Just a media center where folks don't record daily shows just to watch and delete based on how difficult deleting a show is.  I am apparently trying to use it for something that it was not intended for. 
If they were intending to make it a PVR they would have just commandeered the code once Google released it into the public domain in 2015 and ran with it.  Kodi had the client side and sagetv has all the functionality that any PVR has ever needed, and as far as I can tell from my comparisons, no one is even close to what it has since the late 2000's.

As sage has so many bulltetproof PVR capabilities its probably way too difficult to modify.  Otherwise I would try to help pay someone to build a client for it.   Currently I see no reason to abandon it as it always works and works well.  -Bill

[emveepee]

Oh,  I haven't found those ways to Tweak those settings yet on the "app".  I will have to look closer.  But I probably won't hook a pc up to my TVs so that might be moot.  I am really liking that Onn 4k pro streaming box, the remotes are soo much better than those Shield remotes we've been using for a very long time.  Also Infuse, when it works correctly, on the apple TV box pointing at the Plex back-end that is reading the SageTV recordings.  But Since the Infuse v8 updates,  its become really unstable for me.    As you can see from the screen shot, STV allows you to change all those settings on the fly for the TV its connected too, so it never has be be hard to use as its so simple to change to make the perfect size.

It's not just NextPVR.exe NextPVR UI clients (which are similar to SageTV PlaceShifter clients) run on devices too Android, Roku, LG and Tizen.  A NUC isn't a bad client either.  There is a UI client for Kodi, that predates Kodi (XBMC) before PVR was integrated.  Finally in the web browser there is a UI client button, the web player doesn't do direct play unless the video is h264/aac but it should give you the idea.

I prefer remotes with number keys for PVR.  That being said Kodi does the best it can with these DPAD+OK remotes and the UI clients have added thumbnail skipping since no one seems to be asking for them.

Yes I saw the screenshot, and I can't remember a time I thought that I would want to change the font size or add a row temporarily on the fly.  Again I navigate the guide by number too or page up/down or left/right so I don't want too much information at once, I just changed to a 3 hour guide and made the grid font a little smaller and I am happy with that.   I've also never seen a request for this feature either. Figuring the you have to go through hoops and enter 8675309 or whatever just to open the settings I doubt that that the SageTV devs thought it would be used often either.  You probably are just used to doing it like you are used to so many things in SageTV.

I still read the SageTV forum, years ago when it was viable there was a ton of information.  It would be quite easy to complain on their forum about the skins I don't like or features from Kodi or NextPVR or TVHeadend I'd want to see in SageTV like you have done here but that is not how to improve systems.  Besides there are no developers who would listen or care anyway, and it just would upset the users.

Sure there are a lot of things that NextPVR, TVHeadend and Kodi can do better.  The same thing can be said for SageTV.  Today I am preparing for the next major release of NextPVR, likely within hours.  I also try and keep up with the goodies that ksoon and others add to Kodi.  For the real difference read the SageTV forum about the effort going in to make a one line Java change so the Weather addon works.

Martin