[JonnyGators]

Been going through lots of efforts to try and mess around with the stuff I have to make it work, but it seems every turn there's a new obstacle.

I've been mucking around with a Raspberry Pi 3, trying to make it into something that could be a useful TV/music device in the kitchen.  

I have an HDHR3-US tv tuner on my network, works great.

Today I put together a case and LCD, and get things powered on, and - the HDHomeRun add-in doesn't see my device.

And then I dig around and find you don't support the HDHR3-US tuner!  Well, ain't that a kick in the teeth! 

I absolutely despise forced obsolescence.

So I am quite frustrated to find with further research, that apparently Kodi DID work with the HDHR3-US, in version 15.2.  But that a decision was made to remove the functionality of this.

Basically - this is participating in forced obsolescence.  Please give me one good reason I should be forced to replace a perfectly working device, with a new device that does the exact same thing, and litter the landfills with working equipment?

Anyways, whatever....current version isn't working with my device.  Yet another setback due to lack of standards and compatibilities with just about everything and anything I try to do.  Whatever.

So, if Kodi 15.2 does it, and it works, I'll just use that version.

Except, I'm finding no way to setup a specific previous version of Kodi on a Raspberry Pi.


So, please, explain how I can use my tuner on my pi with Kodi.

If it means installing 15.2, explain how I can do that.

If there's some other new fangled way to make it work in Kodi, please explain.

Thanks.

[JonnyGators]

Geeze - what does it take to get any help with Kodi around here?

Multiple attempts to use it over many years, and I have NEVER gotten it to do ONE DAMN THING RIGHT!!!!

And NO ONE every answers any questions or responds when I ask for help.


Absolutely ridiculous!

[PatK]

Kodi 15.2 does it, and it works, I'll just use that version.

That's the direction I would take, PVR/Tuner cards (wiki) the wiki clearly points out that some hardware is not going to be compatible. I'm not sure what code was changed to invalidate what once worked, likely the author of this segment is no longer with the team. (might want to shout out in a post in the concerning forum) Reminds me of cooking, you want to make a cake but from only the ingredients in the fridge. If you have coding skills, an adaption of this hook would be useful to others with this card.

I have NEVER gotten it to do ONE DAMN THING RIGHT!!!!

Kodi is not that difficult, the wiki's online at the top left will get you started, turning that pie into a cake should be easy enough.

[emveepee]

Kodi used to have built it support for the HDHR streaming but that was removed years ago.  There are several PVR backends that support the legacy tuning in that old tuner.

Martin

[oldtvwatcher]

I would run Tvheadend as a backend, that is how I am using earlier HDHR devices now.  I plan on using them until ATSC3 is forced on us and then I am giving up on broadcast TV, it has gotten so bad in recent years that I might just as well be content with the free online streaming stuff (like PlutoTV, XUMO, etc.) or even just watch YouTube videos which I often find more enjoyable anyway.

There is a guide of sorts on how to use Tvheadend and Kodi, it was actually written for people using satellite tuner cards but probably 95% of it is applicable to use with a HDHR device (ignoring the parts that obviously apply to satellite reception only), and Tvheadend just recognizes a HDHR tuner on your local network so all you have to do is enable it as a tuner and then do your setup - you do NOT need to install drivers or anything like that. The guide I refer to is at https://freetoairamerica.wordpress.com/2...tvheadend/ and while it is rather old it should still work, with one caveat.  Older versions of Tvheadend used to create a "hts" user and install pretty much everything in the /home/hts directory but newer versions for some inexplicable reason have switched to putting all of Tvheadend's configuration into a different location, and for some reason Tvheadend has difficulty seeing anything that is not in its own directory tree.  I don't recall the exact details but it hasn't affected my personal system yet because I haven't needed to upgrade for a while, but I just wanted to let you know about that difference going in.

There may be better guides out there for using Tvheadend with HDHR tuners only, but many of them try to push you into doing things that have recurring monthly costs. The big advantage of doing it the way the above article mentions is if you do it right there are no monthly subscription fees of any kind!  But you have to be willing to get into the weeds a little bit, setting it all up will take a little bit of time and patience.

[PatK]

just watch YouTube videos which I often find more enjoyable anyway.

I see you've discovered 'Fast Food'.

[JonnyGators]

Ok, sounds like the best option is setting up a "PVR"?

I currently am running an Open Media Vault server on a powerful desktop that has plenty of resources - can I set it up on this machine?

Is there a step by step process on how I can successfully do this?

[emveepee]

OMV should allow Docker so TVHeadend and NextPVR will work.  You can also just install either of them on your RPi3 to try.  For NextPVR I wrote a utility to get the SiliconDust EPG data which is often better than OTA.

Martin

[JonnyGators]

NONE OF THIS HAS WORKED!!!!!


NOTHING WILL USE MY DAMN TV TUNER DEVICE!!!!!



WHY DID YOU IDIOTS REMOVE FUNCTIONALITY THAT RENDERED TONS OF EQUIPMENT USELESS!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?



USELESS IDIOTS!!!!!!


IT'S PEOPLE WITH YOUR MENTALITY OF THROWING OUT EVERYTHING THAT STILL WORKS THAT RUINS THE WORLD!!!!!!!!

[emveepee]

Please stop yelling. 

We can't help it that you can't figure out how to install Docker.  Once you understand how to get Docker running, and then install the appropriate image (neither of which is NextPVR or TVHeadend related) either backend will work for you.

Martin

[JonnyGators]

Please stop yelling. 

We can't help it that you can't figure out how to install Docker.  Once you understand how to get Docker running, and then install the appropriate image (neither of which is NextPVR or TVHeadend related) either backend will work for you.

Martin

DOCKER!

IS!

INSTALLED!



It's just that NO ONE knows how to provide any useful instructions on how to setup anything with it!


And I wouldn't have to deal with this BS if Kodi had just LEFT PERFECTLY FINE FUNCTIONALITY ALONE, INSTEAD OF RIPPING IT OUT FOR NO GOOD REASON!

[JonnyGators]

Please stop yelling. 

We can't help it that you can't figure out how to install Docker.  Once you understand how to get Docker running, and then install the appropriate image (neither of which is NextPVR or TVHeadend related) either backend will work for you.

Martin

For the record - I'm working on a server with docker installed which is currently running a plex server without issue, and I've been desperately trying to find correct instructions to setup NextPVR.  Nothing has come out of much dialog that comes close to resembling functional instructions that one can actually follow, any suggestions have been followed, but apparently we can't even agree on what step we're on since we've been dealing with a working installation of docker from the start, and we still can't seem to get past the point of understanding and agreeing on that much.

If I ever do get this to work, I will be posting step by step instructions on both relevant threads.  Here's hoping.

However - even if I get this to work, I still blame Kodi for removing perfectly good functionality for no good reason.  That is sabotage, and active participation of forced obsolescence.  Kodi is likely directly responsible for many good pieces of electronics ending up in landfills unnecessarily.  That is not helping anyone at all!

[Karellen]

WHY DID YOU IDIOTS

Very disrespectful. Very rude.
Your first warning. Keep it civil. Do not insult or in any way disparage the volunteer developers here, or any other member on the forum.
If you have a complaint, word it in a civil and polite manner.

And stop bumping your thread every few hours. Minimum 24 hours before a bump. You think all developers are here 24 hours a day?
If you posted in the correct location (PVR forum and not Kodi Related Discussions) it goes a long way in ensuring people see your posts.

[JonnyGators]

This thread started as looking for ways to work around the issue Kodi created with the careless removal of functionality, and has morphed into a NextPVR discussion as a possible solution.  When I posted the initial post, I didn't know PVR was a thing, so I'm not sure how I could've had the insight to start the thread there.

It seems everyone expects me to be a mind reader - a whole lotta stuff that doesn't work, no guides, and every response is a cryptic jumble of words that offers little help if any.

I don't know how anyone here expects anyone to make anything useful of all of this dysfunction.

[Karellen]

issue Kodi created with the careless removal of functionality

Nothing is careless. Every function that is added or removed is discussed and guided. Removals are a big issue, and only happen when absolutely required. I don't know the history of what you are referring to, but if it was removed, it was required, not just some whim some solitary developer felt.
Of course, it is expected that over the years, older hardware is not supported. Maybe the hardware component is no longer supported by the manufacturer, so we have no choice but to drop support also. Windows XP, Vista, and 8 are unsupported. How can we support those platforms when we cannot access support from Microsoft. It is extremely difficult to support unsupported hardware, and a bigger ask than you are entitled to to expect volunteers to go out of their way, by a very large margin, and support the unsupported item.
You should take heed of @emveepee . He is the most knowledgeable person on the forum when it comes to Live TV and PVR. He is the one that will help you get it working, so be bloody nice.